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The Ten Commandments (Views 488)
Posted by K-Cole 9 Jun 2009, 08:01
I am opening this discussion to give the residents of Haskell County a place to post their comments about the recent Appeals Court Decision
concerning the Ten Commandments Monument located on the Haskell County Courthouse lawn. It is fine to post your opinion. If you do post
in this forum. All I ask is please keep the discussion civil and the language clean. Comments from this forum may be forwarded to larger news
media outlets. This will provide anyone in Haskell County who cares about this issue. The opportunity to voice their thoughts to the ELECTED
OFFICIALS who represent them in our local, state and national government.

I have to get to work right now and will post my personal views on this issue later on in the discussion.

Thank You
Sincerely;
Ken Cole


Posted by Rick Kunkel 9 Jun 2009, 13:37
Onenewsnow.com through AFA

Ken-

I live in Nashville, North Carolina and I keep up with events about the decay of morals in the US and the constant bashing of God by politicians and judges. What has happend to our country which was founded "Under God" and "In God we Trust"? As a Christian I am so tired of the way The Ten Commandments and God are constantly being attacked and I take a stand on these issues. I commend Haskell County Commissioner Mitch Worsham for his recent comments about this issue ("We're not going to take it down"). Please keep up the fight for the Lord ... after all, Jesus told us to expect persecution.

Also, I love the website, Stigler.net. I wish more of America's towns and counties had this type of uplifting, positive website.

God Bless ... Rick Kunkel
Unclerk@aol.com


Posted by Jerry 9 Jun 2009, 14:58
If the judges of the 10th Circuit Court want the monument down, let them come and dismantle it themselves. I applaud Commissioner Worsham who said, "We're not going to take it down." Why must local governments kowtow to every whim of black robed dictators who sit on those benches?

If, as the story says, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion," means that "government action must not have a primary effect of either advancing or inhibiting religion," then the Supreme Court and the 10th Circuit judges are on the horns of a dilemma. THEY are INHIBITING religion by their presumed action of not advancing religion.

And, by the way, is Former Oklahoma Attorney General, Robert Henry, and a cousin to Governor Brad Henry, still on the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals?


Posted by Ken Cole 12 Jun 2009, 03:17
Thanks Rick for the nice comments about our website.

I promised to post my view of the appeals court decision. The best way to do that is to reprint my reply to a post in the Tulsa World which
I have copied and pasted below.


Post Quoted From Discussion Forum In The Tulsa World

By Ignatz Broken Bow (6/10/2009 12:48:38 PM)

( Sad that so many truly ignorant people get elected to office Oklahoma's hick counties.)

Below is a reprint of my reply

Hmmm, Well let’s see

Okay

First to address ( every persons right to express and opposing view ) on any topic of discussion is undoubtedly one of our greatest freedoms.
So rest assured I take no issue with anyone exercising that right, in fact I consider having that right myself extremely important.

Next ( The discussion topic ) The Appeals Court decision about a monument of The Ten Commandments located on the Court House lawn in
Haskell County in Oklahoma. ( Reason for Cause of Action ) A First Amendment Clause which states “Congress shall make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

Looks cut and dried but is it ( Our laws can be very confusing ) what with all the hair splitting in our courts now days. Here’s a brief example.
Let’s say I offer a politician money to sway his vote, I have commited bribery right? But if a corporate representive does the exact same thing
he is lobbying. I’m confused, don’t we all live under the same set of laws? I guess I need to research some facts about this monument while I
ponder how to interpret the Amendment Clause since the monument wasn’t placed on the white house lawn and nobody put congress to the
trouble of making a new law.

It took some time on the phone but finally ( I have facts about the monument ) maybe knowing the monuments ( true origin and the intent behind it )
will help me decide how I feel about the courts decision.

Fact 1. I understand from my research that a youth group from a area church raised money to do something for their community to show their
appreciation for the love, support and kindness of the people in both their Church and community.

Fact 2. The kids submitted ideas on how to spend the money they raised then voted on which of the ideas would be chosen. The Ten Commandments
project was picked by the kids as the best way to show their appreciation to their community their Church and The Lord for the blessings in their
life.

Fact 3. The decision to ask if the monument could be placed on the Court House lawn also was the kids idea. The pastor took their request to the
board of commissioners. Who were very proud of the efforts of the children. The commissioners gladly approved their request.

Fact 4. The apparent outcome was ( kids who were proud of their efforts ) + ( A community who is extremely proud of it’s young people )
+ ( County officials who felt honored to serve the people and were also very proud of all the young people ) + ( The court case and the
decision which we are now discussing )


Were the commissioners wrong in their decision about to allow the monument to be placed at the Court House? To answer that I will have to look at
my own life and the effects of being around Christian people and attending Church. My mother always took all six of her children to Church. My dad
worked very hard to provide for our family. He fully supported the need for us to attend Church and eventually became a member of the Church
himself. At Church we met many wonderful people from the area. Who happily devoted a lot of their time to working with the kids. They taught us
about God and Jesus, Moses, King David, Jonah, Noah, and many other bible figures. But what I remember most is how they stressed the importance
of having compassion for others, respect for our parents and our elders, to remember we were all equal no matter what social status, race or faith
and to realize each person was entitled to their own opinions. Also to take pride in everything we do. To always use the words ( Ma’am & Sir,
Please & Thank You ) and through our courtesy, compassion, humility, morals and manners others would see Gods love in your heart.

During my senior year I worked part time at a auto dealership. One Christian man who worked there always comes to mind when Christians are mentioned.
He was always happy and very funny he went out of his way to make you feel like you were a important part of the team. My dad who always worked alot
found the time to teach me how to hunt, mechanic, drive both a car and later a semi truck, how to ride and care for horses how, to weld and operate
a loader, dozer, scraper and that the most important things were to love and cherish your family, respect others and to thank the Lord for your
blessings. One of the things he said will always stick with me even though he has passed on. He would say Son if you tend to your own business you
will have a full time job. :)

Well with all of the above considered I would have to say I’ve found enough wiggle room to believe the Haskell County Commissioners made the right
choice in allowing the monument. I must also mention the kids from our Church received a very nice thank you letter from some soilders in Iraq last
week for their prayers and letters and a care package they sent to the soilders, who said they were proud of the kids for being Christians. I know
my opinion is a biased one but I am sure my facts are straight. You see the Christian man I mentioned who was always happy was Haskell County
Commissioner Henry Few and My Father was Sam Cole the chairman of the board of Haskell County Commissioners that okayed the monument.
( Described in a previous post as the truly ignorant people get elected to office in Oklahoma's hick counties.) both were in a picture beside the monument
on June 8th in the Daily Oklahoman. And my Mother is Anna Cole who contributed to this article in the Tulsa World. I might add one more thought I am
51 and one of the first things I use to determine someone’s level of intelligence is their respect of the opinions of other people.

For all the Christians in this forum I pray the Lord will watch over you and your family and friends. For all the others my prayers are the same.

Good Night Everyone and God Bless You All
Sincerely; Kenneth Cole


Posted by LeQuire Lady 28 Jun 2009, 18:46
The Order of the Eastern Star-Masonic Order, The Bible, The U.S. Military and the U.S. Constitution-Bill of Rights..."Go Hand-in-Hand", for the Prophecy of the United States of America....and there is a Montague Seal on the U.S. Documents of Government, documents written by the Founding Fathers of America...and the Documents of Government, are to "Stay Intact for Succeeding Generations".
The Founding Fathers of America, were of High-Ranking Military Status, and became the Continental Congress, creating a Supreme Law of America & it's Inhabitants.
In Reference to the Ten Commandments...it has a Right to Exist, even in Public Places, anywhere there is Military Connected Individuals, in Attendance...those who are / have served to Defend America & It's Supreme Laws.
LeQuire Lady

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